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the discover it® miles card. investor, legend. hawk or dove. president trump said all options are on the table after he calls off a u.s. strike on iran. >> we have plenty of time. is the u.s. making any headway on containing iran's nuclear weapons ambitions? vice president mike pence and the chairman of the house intelligence committee adam schiff are both here to respond. and deportations delayed. the president postpones a planned raid on migrant families. >> they will be removed from the country. >> and gives congress a two-week deadline to make a deal on asylum-seekers as a new report revealed a health crisis in migrant detention centers. what will it take to improve conditions for children in u.s. custody? plus -- down south. 2020 democrats make nice in south carolina. >> getting to be in the
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palmetto. >> as hopefuls try to win the support of black voters will the current front-runner keep his place on top. julien castro joins in moments. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of the union is to the brink and back. you might feel whiplash after president trump changed course on two things, one domestic and one internet. on saturday the president announced he's delays massive deportation after threatening all weekend that millions of undocumented migrants will be removed hours before the raids sr tet to begin. and he said i want to give democrats every last chance to negotiate changes to asylum and loopholes. probably won't happen and we'll try. before two weeks and deportation begins. it comes days after the president seemed to use a similar strategy with iran. which "new york times" journalist peter baker described
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as speak loudly and carry a small stick and president trump said he stopped a military strike with just minutes to launch say he did not think the potential human casualties inflicteds with proportional to the drowning of a u.s. drone and the president announced major additional sanctions will be imposed on sunday and they have launched cyber attacks in iran last week after iran attacked ships in the gulf of oman and joining me is mike presence. vice president pence, thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you, jake. good to be with you. >> over the weekend the iranians reached out to the u.s. through the swiss. have you received that message, has there been any dialogue with iran either directly or through an intermediary since the president called off the strikes. >> the president's message to iran is very clear. we're not going to allow iran to obtain a nuclear weapon. and we're not going to stand by
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while iran continues to sow malign influence across the region that is why tomorrow the president will announce additional sanctions against iran and frankly as we sit here today, since the end of the iran nuclear deal, now a year ago, and additional sanctions that the united states is imposing, iran's economy is crumbling. and over the last two months we've seen then lashing out even more than they usually do. remember, iran is the leading state sponsor of terrorism. >> sure. >> in the world. they've sewn malign influence in yemen and this president drew an end to them and we've isolated them economically and diplomatically and they've lashed out, a attack on tanker and the american uav. >> the drone. >> and the president made it clear we're not going to tolerate any threats against american forces or american interests, america's allies in the region and we'll never allow
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iran to obtain a nuclear weapon. >> so they're lashing out. but are they reaching out? did you get that message from the swiss that the iranians delivered? >> i'm not aware of any outreach from the iranians. i know there was communication -- prime minister abe was in tehran not long ago. and he encouraged them, as president trump has done publicly, to engage the u.s. we've made it clear we're prepared to talk to iran without pre-conditions but iran needs to understand we'll never allow them to obtain a nuclear weapon and we will not allow them to continue to sow violence across this region. >> let me ask you a question -- >> in the midst of that, the actions the president took and the announcement yesterday and the president demonstrated the restraint the american people admire and are grateful for when right up to the run-up of a military attack the president continued to evaluate that
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decision and concluded that what was -- what had been initiated and about to be launched was not proportionate. >> disproportionate, exactly. >> but that should not be restraint for lack of resolve and all options are on the table and the united states will defend our troops and the region. >> your assertion that iran should not mistake that for lack of resolve reminds me of what bolton said not long ago when he said nobody should mistake this as weakness and it makes me wonder if you are concerned it will be perceived that way before the strike, senator lindsey graham tweeted, quote, i've found that inaction in the face of evil and provocation ultimately has its own cost in some instances failing to act could prove to be the most dangerous choice of all. and you are initially supported the military strike against iran. do you agree that there is a risk that iran will get the wrong message from the president's restraint as you put it? >> well, let me be clear. i've said before that weakness
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arouses evil. but this president has rebuilt our military to the point that the united states military forces in the region and around the world are stronger than ever before. in fact, in the wake of the tanker attacks just a week ago, the president announced that we're moving another thousand troops into the region. and i expect iran and our allies in the region have no doubt about the military capabilities of the united states of america. >> but do you warn they worry the president its willing to pull the trigger? is that a concern at all. >> i think the president is encouraged that iran announced they are tracking a manned american surveillance aircraft on friday and did not fire on it even though they believed it was in their air space. all of that -- >> was it in their air space? >> no. of course not. all of that gives us some sense that in iran they understand the military capabilities of the united states of america. but this is -- this is a
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president who is always going to count the costs. and i was there through the course of the deliberations, over the last week in the wake of the tanker attacks, the president was talking about options in the wake of the attack on the unmanned uav. there were extensive discussions. but at the end of the day, the president looked at the potential loss of human life relative to an unmanned american drone that had been shot down and concluded that that was not proportionate. >> but you supported it, though? you supported the strike initially? >> i -- well first off, jake, i never talk about my discussions with the president of the united states. >> okay. but it has been reported that you and bolton and pompeo all supports the strike. >> i think all of the national security team around this president supported providing him with the broadest range of options including the use of military force but the president is the one that makes the decision and as he indicated very late in the process, he was
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given an estimate that just simply was unacceptable to him. and this is a president, i think -- i hope this is also a message to the iranian people, this is a president who hopes for the best for the people of iran. it was the united states back in 2009 in the midst of the green revolution that you remember, jake, that we stood with and spoke on behalf of the people of iran to establishment of freedom and democracy in iran. we saw protests a year ago, all across this country. >> i want to ask about something -- >> we want the best for the people of iran but we'll stand up to the ayatollah and stand up to their provocations and iran should never doubt the capabilities of the armed forces of the united states. you said president trump got that information late in the process and that confusing to me and to defense official i spoke to who said, any time military options are presented to the president, the potential casualty assessment, the battle assessment is one of the first things that the president would be told.
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now president trump said yesterday that he got, quote, very odd numbers early on in terms of the assessment, the casualty assessment. what does that mean? and why would the president only get the casualty numbers as you put it late in the process? >> what i can tell you without talking about the details of those deliberations, is that the president was provided with casualty assessments and a whole range of information. >> but only at the beginning -- >> relative to the beginning. >> really throughout. but as the president indicated late in the process, there were more specific projections given to him relative to the targets that he was prepared to use force against and he concluded -- he concluded it was not a proportionate response to shooting down an unmanned american aircraft. and also remember the president -- the president also had doubts as to whether or not
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the downing of our unmanned aircraft was actually authorized at the highest levels. i -- i can't speak about intelligence that the united states has with regard to that, but you heard the president reflect openly. >> there might have been a rogue general -- >> we're not convinced that it was authorized at the highest levels. the president put a regard for human life first and also put on the table that we want better for the people of iran. but iran needs to understand that the united states of america will never allow them to obtain a usable nuclear weapon. this is the leading state sponsor of terrorism. and the truth that the world has seen over the last 40 years is that the ayatollahs in iran have no regard for human life. they sow terrorism around the region and around the world. >> would you sit down -- >> and it is unacceptable to ever obtain a nuclear weapon as a threat to us, to our ally israel or to the wider world.
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>> would the united states sit down with the iranians with no preconditions to end the iranian nuclear weapons program? >> no, i think the president made it clear he's more than prepared. >> with no pre-conditions? >> to have discussions with no pre-conditions with the iranians. but the one pre-condition is -- >> well that is a pre-condition. >> that they need to give up the nuclear weapons. >> that is a pre-condition. >> we hear iran talking about within days they'll begin to enri enrich uranium beyond the negotiations. people understand, this is not about oil. the attack on the tank -- the tankers in the straits, we get less than 10% of our oil from the persian gulf these days because frankly we're one of the leading exporters of energy in the world. >> i want to get to immigration -- >> but china and india and other countries depend on that. this is about the safety and security of the united states.
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>> right. >> israel and our allies around the world and we'll never allow iran to obtain a nuclear weapon and continue to bring economic, diplomatic pressure to bear and make it very clear that the united states military will defend our personnel and defend our interest in the region. >> right. so let's talk about immigration because president trump is and tweeting about that, family deportation were set to begin in major u.s. cities today. president trump tweeted yesterday that he would delay them, quote, to see if the democrats and republicans can get together and work out a solution to the asylum and loophole problems at the southern border. what exactly does the president want to see in a deal that would prevent these -- these deportations? >> jake, we have a crisis on our southern border. >> right. >> i was down there a few short months ago and i was at a detention center. we are on track this year to have more than a million people come into our country illegally. and for the first time ever, the vast majority of them are people
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that are bringing minor children -- >> children, yeah. i want to talk about that. >> and people that are exploiting what well-known loopholes in our laws that say if you arrive with a minor that you can only be detained for 20 days and after which you're essentially released into the country. >> because of the florist decision. >> you know that 90-plus percent of the people who apply for asylum are denied and they don't have a claim for asylum. so the president took steps earlier this year to declare a national emergency. we're building a wall -- >> what does he want with -- with the asylum laws? what does he want changed with the asylum laws? >> we want to end the days where people believe they could come into the country, make a claim of asylum from depression or deprivation or violence in central america or elsewhere and then be released into the country on their own recognizance only to vanish into
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the nation with now this -- the president -- >> most of them do show up to the hearings. >> -- the laws that 90% of the people never show up for the hearing in the months ahead. >> i don't think that number is accurate. 90% not showing up. a majority do show up. they all should show up. it should be 100%. >> it is not true. people with a hearing that is scheduled six months or a year or 18 months later, the overwhelming majority, plus 90% don't show up. and people in central america know this. i've been down to those countries known as the northern triangle, i have talked to the leaders of those countries on many occasions, human traffickers are taking $5,000 cash per person to entice people to take vulnerable children on a long and dangerous journey. >> right. >> people are being hurt on both sides of the border. >> let's talk about the kids. i want to talk about the kids. >> but that is why the president is continued to call on congress --
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>> right. >> -- he said to give them another two weeks and before wein ganl in the deportation. >> for the humanitarian aid. >> but let's reform our asylum laws and get additional humanitarian support to deal with the influx. >> and that money is going through congress right now. over the last week legal advocates reported horrific conditions for children at the border, at the same time the prupgs w-- the trump administration was arguing they should not be obligated give soap or showers and take a look at this clip from judge. >> if you don't a toothbrush, if you don't have soap, if you don't have a blanket, it is not safe and sanityary. wouldn't everybody agree to that? do you agree with that? >> well, i think it's -- i think those are -- there is fair reason to find that those things may be part of -- >> not may be. are a part.
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>> are toothbrushes and blanket and medicine basic conditions for kids? aren't they a part of how the united states of america, the trump administration treated children? >> well of course they are, jake. >> the lawyer was arguing. >> i can't speak to what that lawyer was saying. one of the reasons we asked for more bed space. when we were negotiating with congress -- no, when we were negotiating during the government shutdown, democrats in congress refused to expand the bed space and the capacity for us to detain people. >> this is going on right now. >> -- it is one of the reasons we continue to call on congress to give dhs and border protection additional resources at the border. >> this is the wealthiest nation in the world and we have money to give blankets and soap to the kids in el paso county, right now we do. >> of course we do. >> so why aren't we? >> my point is it is all a part of the appropriations, congress needs to provide additional support to deal with the crisis at the southern border but we have to get to the root causes
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and close the loopholes that human traffickers as we speak are using to entice vulnerable families to take the long and dangerous journey north. >> and i'm not taking issue with any of that. just listen to this -- >> but, jake, it is the reason why the president a few short weeks ago said that mexico needed to step up -- >> and they did. and they are. >> -- he would begin to impose 5% tariffs, escalating from there. i was in those negotiations on day one with the secretary of state. and now as we speak, mexico is sending 6,000 national guard to their -- >> to the border, exactly. their southern border. >> they have agreed to allow all asylum-seekers from central america to remain in mexico while they're being -- >> i'm talking about the kid nds our custody right now. just listen to this. this is the new yorker quoting a team of -- >> jake, jake. >> the conditions the lawyers were found were shocking. flu and lice outbreaks were
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untreated and children were filthy and sleeping on cold floors because of the lack of attention of guards. i know you're a father and man of faith and you can't approve of that? >> well, no american -- no american should approve of this mass influx of people coming across our border. it is overwhelming our system. >> but how about we're treating these children? >> look, as i said to you, i was at the detention center in nogales a few short months ago. it is a heart-breaking scene. these are people who are being exploited by human traffickers. who charge them $5,000 a person to entice them to take their vulnerable children. >> now the kids are in our custody. >> and take the long and dangerous jurn north. so congress has to act. i was about to say, with mexico what is doing on their southern border and with their agreement now to have 100% of asyl asylum-seeke
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asylum-seekers from central america remain in mexico, in the last ten days mexico has done more to secure our southern border than democrats in congress have done in the last ten years. and that has to change. >> okay. and i'm not disputing what you're saying there. but i would say, that i'm talking with the kids on our southern border right now. and you have the power right now to go back to the white house and say, we need to make sure these kids, first of all, there are people taking care of them so it is not 12-year-olds taking care of 3-year-olds and they have soap and toothbrushes and combs and taking care so they don't get the flu. you know that. >> jake, look, i've been down there. head down there. go look around. our customs and border protection personnel are dedicated men and women doing their absolute level best every day, they literally -- i heard of the number of hospital runs that they make on any given day because people who take that long and dangerous journey north are often assaulted along the
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way, young women are sexually assaulted along the way. it is horrific what is happening at our border and we know how to fix it. president trump said we could fix this in 15 minutes. if the democrats will sit down with us, close the loopholes, provide the resources we need to deal with the influx but if he close the loopholes and send a clear message to our allies in the region, whether it is mexico, or guatemala or other nations, that the days of this porous border are over. we'll end this crisis of illegal immigration and the flow at our border and that along with border security will end this crisis. >> i think democrats would argue that they want to do a deal with president trump. but he hasn't showed any inclination. but first of all i want to say one thing. >> i don't know where that would come from. this president -- we have -- >> you said a second ago that 90% of people who get detained don't show up for their court hearing and the justice department data said it is 60% to 70%. but i want to ask you a question about climate change.
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the director of national intelligence dan coats said in january that the climate emergency is likely to fuel competition for resources, economic distress and social discontent and it is a priority for the dni coats and the epa rolled back part of the president obama clean power plan to let states set limit and do you believe it is a threat to the united states? >> well, what i will tell you is that we'll always follow the science on that in this administration. >> the science says it is. >> but what we won't do and the clean power plan was all about that, was hamstringing energy in this country and raising the cost of utility rates while china and india do nothing or make promises decades down the road to deal with it. the truth of the matter is with the advent of natural gas and the natural gas explosion developing with clean coal technology, we're seeing a
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significant reduction in carbon emissions across this country. >> but it is what people are calling it a climate emergency. do you think it is a threat, manmade climate emergency is a threat. >> think the answer is based on the science. >> the science said yes. what do you think? >> there is many in the science -- >> the science in your own administration at noaa, at the dni they all say it is a threat but you won't for some reason. >> we've said we're not going to raise utility rates. remember what president obama said? >> but it the not a threat. >> he said he his climate change plan, he said it is necessarily going to cause utility rates to skyrocket and that would force us into green technologies. now you have democrats all running for president that are running on a green new deal that would break this economy. >> okay. so you don't think it is a threat? you don't think it is a threat? >> i think we're making great progress reducing carbon emissions, america has the cleanest air and water in the
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world. >> that is not true. we don't have the cleanest air and water in the world. we don't. according to -- well you get back to me with statistics to show it. >> we're making progress on reducing carbon emissions through technology, through natural gas, through continuing to support as our administration -- >> you just rolled back the clean coal -- >> turn back to nuclear energy and clean energy but the answer is not to raise the utility rates of millions of utility rate payers. >> you just launched your re-election bid on tuesday for 2020. >> we did. >> if foreigners or russia or china offers you campaign information on the democratic opponents should people in the campaign accept it or call the fbi. >> i think we're clear we'll call the fbi on this. >> well the president wasn't clear about it, but you are? >> i take issue with that. he said he would do both. he said he would hear what they said and that he would -- >> well that is not calling the fbi. >> well, no, he said he called the fbi. >> he said maybe he would. >> and in subsequent comments
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that he would call the fbi. this administration -- i'm very proud of what we've done to confront foreign interference in our elections. we had a good midterm election. i could tell you that the fbi -- >> you lost the house. >> worked very aggressively. >> i'm talking about -- >> oh, you're talking about the interference. got it. >> i think we'll win it back. >> okay. >> but we -- the fbi worked with state election officials all around the country. but we're going to continue to lean into this, to protect the integrity of our elections. but let me say, we had a great night at that kickoff. >> you had a fun time in florida. >> in orlando. about 20,000 people. millions watching around the country. >> a lot of people -- a lot of big fans there. last question. president trump was asked about the next presidential election in 2024, take a listen. >> if mike pence runs for president in 2024, does he have your automatic endorsement?
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>> well, it is far too -- look, i love mike, we're running again. but you're talking about a long time. so you can't put me in that position. but i certainly would give it very strong consideration. >> what was your reaction when the president said that? >> you know, it is a greatest honor of my life to serve as vice president to this president and i'm incredibly honored that he asked me to run with him in 2020. and what i can tell you is that statement reflects and i reflect the fact that the only election he and are focused on is 2020. when you look at the progress in this country, 6 million new jobs created, manufacturing jobs, 500,000 across this country, we've rebuilt our military, america is standing tall in the world again, more than 114 conservatives confirmed to our federal courts, two supreme court justices and we've made progress building a wallop our sothern border, we'll have 400
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miles by next year and criminal justice reform and right to try and we've made progress and i can't wait to get out on the campaign trail and tell that story across this country and help to see this president re-electioned in 2020 and that is all we're thinking about. >> we're honored that you came here this morning. don't let it be another two and a half years until we get to talk to. it is a pleasure and send our best to your family especially your son in the u.s. marines. we appreciate his service. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> after the president decided not to bomb iran, democrats did something unusual. praising him. adam schiff joins me to respond to the vice president. and the pitch in south carolina this weekend and we'll talk to one of them. that is next.
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-motor? -it's pronounced "mo-tour." for those who were born to ride, there's progressive. welcome back to "state of the union." i'm jake tapper. when the president decided to call off a strike, it was a surprise. republicans, some of them, criticized the decision not to attack and top democrats applauded it. joining me now, the chairman of the house intelligence committee congressman adam schiff. you were glad president trump called off the iran strike and it would be disproportional and mike vicker said the white house needs to respond with its own
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strikes against air defense systems and military bases or the iranians will be more emboldened. is he wrong? >> i think he is wrong. this would be a disproportionate strike and was not authorized by congress and would escalate the situation and led to potentially grave miscalculation and outright warfare with iran. so it could have had disastrous consequences. i do think there should be a response to the downing of this drone and to the attacks on the shipping. but this is an attack on the international community and the international right of free navigation. it ought to be an international response. it shouldn't be the u.s. acting alone. and i also think we need beyond -- >> what would be your response? >> well, i think the appropriate response is to work with our allies to protect the freedom of navigation, there are a number of ways to do that. but i also think we need to make sure we provide a diplomatic off-ramp to this escalation of
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tit-for-tat that could lead us into war. and i really think we have to look beyond the last 24 to 48 hours and consider the last 24 months. where we walked out of this agreement that iran was complying with. we urged europe to do the same. we increased sanctions and do everything we could to deprive iran of economic benefit of staying in the deal and now the vice president and others express surprise that iran may leave the deal and go back to enriching and it would be surprise field goal they didn't and it is a catastrophic result but it is predictable, the foreseeable consequence of the last two years of us heading into this dead end where we go to war with iran or have a nuclear iran. and that is exactly what the jcpoa was designed to prevent. and so, yes, the president made the right last-minute decision but frankly the lead-up to that over the last two years has been disastrous. >> let me ask you, president trump tweeted yesterday that he's going to delay plans for the i.c.e. mass deportations in major cities across the united
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states to allow two weeks for congress to, quote, get together and work out a solution to the asylum and loophole problems at the southern border. are you open to negotiations on this to avoid the deportations two weeks from now? >> we've always been open to negotiations and in fact we have been negotiating and there is a bipartisan package in the senate of some emergency supplemental relief to try to provide assistance. but make no mistake, there is nothing that congress is doing or not doing, there is nothing to compel the facilities not to banquets or toothbrush or soap and for the vice president or president to blame congress for their own malfeasance is beside the point and unedge wal and unacceptable. they could cure this problem today but they don't want to because frankly the k-- the cruelty is part of their -- think policy, what they think
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will deter migrants from coming here and motivate congress to build a wall and to use these children that way is -- i just think, immoral. >> i wonder what you thought about congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez referring to the detention centers at the border, some of which have due have horrific conditions, she referred to them as concentration camps earlier this week. did you think that was inappropriate -- an appropriate description? >> that is certainly not the terminology i would use. look, these are on is mol detention center and there is nothing praise-worthy about them in any way but analogy to the nazi concentration camps are fraught and should not be used except with great care. so it is not the terminology i would use but let's not let that distract us from the terrible conditions going on that you described. and to have trump lawyers in court saying that this is perfectly acceptable and these conditions are fine, would you
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like to see those trump lawyers or people in the cabinet spend a week in one of the facilities sleeping on a concrete floor with an aluminum blanket and see whether they think that is so consistent with american values. >> let's turn to the growing calls for the impeachment of president trump. at least 70 house democrats now, nearly a third of the caucus, support launching impeachment inquiry and the third ranking house democrat jim clyburn told me on the show this month he believes president trump will eventually face impeachment proceedings. do you agree? >> i don't know the answer, jake. certainly the administration and the president seem to be doing everything they can to push us into an impeachment and we may get there. we may get there. at this point, as you say, a third of the caucus is there. and two-thirds is not there. what would get me to that point is if we get to a final court decision, compelling the administration to provide testimony and documents and they still refuse, then i think we're in a full-blown constitutional
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crisis that would compel that kind of remedy. may get there before that point, jake, so i continue to listen to people that i respect greatly within our caucus and constitutional lawyers like larry tribe and others and weigh this every day and have continuing discussions with the speaker about it. but at this point, i'm not prepared to recommend it. >> you said this week that robert mueller, the special counsel, needs to testify by august. you still have not subpoenaed him despite calling for a volunteer testimony since april. mueller made it clear he's not going to come before you guys willingly. are you going to subpoena him and, if so, when? >> we have been in private discussions with the special counsel's office. it is not clear that he will refuse to come and voluntarily -- we're negotiating what the conditions of that appearance might be. but, yes, we are running out of time. it is my hope that we'll reach a final conclusion either he's going to come in voluntarily or we're going to have to subpoena
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him. i hope that we'll reach that decision this week because we want to have him come in during july. and i think that is going to be the case, jake, whether it is voluntary or involuntary by subpoena. >> thank you, adam schiff. >> thank you, jake. now to a 2020 candidate who made immigration a key part of his message to voters. joining me now, former hud secretary julian castro. i want to ask you, former vice president, biden, the front-runner in your party, defended his controversial remarks touting his ability to work with segregationists and calling him son, not boy, boy a racially charged phrase when used to refer to african-american men. biden said that his use of boy wasn't said in any of that context at all. what do you make of this controversy? >> well, you know, i haven't
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spent many time on the campaign trail addressing what other people are saying. what i've been trying to do is introduce myself to the american people and that is what i intend to do on wednesday night at the debate. i did say a couple of days ago that -- that i would not have spoken in that way about the relationship without putting it in more context and so i definitely understand how people are offended by that, given where we are in 2019 and the pain that people -- people like senator eastland created through their actions and through their comfort in the united states senate and their privilege. so i understand it completely. and my hope is that in this campaign all of us can focus on what we're going to do to make sure that we make progress in this country, because we still are not to the point where people are judged by the content of character and not the color
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of their skin. >> let's turn to immigration which is a major part of the campaign platform. the president trump tweeted out he'll delay the plan for deportation across the united states to allow congress to, quote, get together and work out a solution to the asylum and loophole problems at the southern border. should democrats come to the table and negotiate with the president? >> this is a mess that this administration has created itself through this family separation policy and people have been reading the last couple of days about the horrendous conditions in the migrant detention facilities. they've been reading about children that don't have soap, they don't have a toothbrush, they're sleeping on cold concrete floors, with an aluminum blanket, aluminum colored blanket. this is not how the united states of america should treat people. and folks will remember that not too long ago this president magically, suddenly moved
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mountains to find billions of dollars to build a wall. and now they're suggesting that they can't find money for soap and toothbrushes for these children. do people understand how ridiculous that is? they can get a billion dollars or more for a wall all of a sudden out of nowhere, but they can't afford soap and toothbrushes for children. it doesn't make any sense. >> i take your point. >> and it is another -- i just said, jake, this is another example of the tremendous disaster that this administration has been on this issue of immigration. i have my own plan that represents completely different vision that would be smarter, more humane and more effective in how we deal with the situation. >> the department of homeland security said there is a $4.6 billion that they need to help with these conditions for children. i think three of the $4.6 billion, $3 billion goes to the health and human services department for accommodations for children. do you support passing that money as soon as possible to
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help alleviate the conditions for children? >> well, what they should do is stop separating families and i want to go to a point that the vice president made which was he suggested that over 90% of people who are applying for asylum don't show up to their court hearings and you challenged him on that and actually that is not correct. in fact, between 2013 and 2017 more than 90% of people actually did show up. >> i think it is 60% to 70% but i did correct him. but i'm just asking you about the money, though. >> and -- yeah, i wouldn't give them a dime to continue to treat children this way. i believe that they should end family separation. i understand that there are parts of the government and parts of the government in that division of it that need to continue to operate but i don't believe that this policy of
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separating children from their families is a humane one, right. >> i don't think it makes any sense so i would not fund more capacity for that. >> but some of the children coming across the border are unaccompanied when they're picked up. i'm afraid, i don't understand the logic if you think the conditions of these facilities for children are horrible, when they are, and you heard me press the vice president about it, if hhs needs $3 billion to improve the conditions and build more housing, won't that alleviate it. you're talking about not giving one more time a-- one more dime and it doesn't make sense. >> i don't have confidence if you give them more money -- if they have a plan to have different conditions -- >> well i think they do. >> better conditions. i don't think they do, jake? what is their plan? he didn't tell you one single word for a plan on how to treat the children? you go back through your interview andsy ago, what was the plan to treat them
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differently. if they're going to treat them differently and sleep and be able to live under different, better conditions, that is one thing. but i don't know that that is what they're proposing. they haven't put forward the plan for how anything will be different other than children are still sleeping on concrete floors and they won't even commit in court to provide soap and toothbrushes. so do i want to fund that? no, i don't. would i fund something that is completely different from that? in fact, i think what we should do is that we should accelerate -- if a child comes here and he or she does not have a parent with them, they're unaccompanied, then we should accelerate their placement with a family or caregiver. instead of holding them as long as we have in these facilities. >> i agree with you the vice president doesn't offer it but i think dhs and hhs offered more outlined in terms of housing.
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i take your point that the vice president didn't. and i asked your fellow texan, beto o'rourke, about the plan to decriminalize illegal border crossings and said there needs to be a legal mechanism so authorities could charge suspected human traffickers and drug smugglers. what is your response? >> well, we already have another legal mechanism to do that. i'm talking about repealing section 1325 of the immigration and nationality act which simply refers to people who cross the border and between 1929 and the early 2000s, we treated it as a civil violation. so this is not something radical. this is the way that we used to treat it. if somebody comes here and they are doing human trafficking or drug trafficking, we have laws that we can charge them with. i'm not suggesting that we let those people off the hook. what i'm suggesting is that somebody comes here, they're undocumented and not committing a crime like human trafficking
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or drug trafficking, then that should be treated as a civil violation. so i'm disappointed in congressman o'rourke's stance because the only way that we're going to effectively make sure that we're not separating little children from their families is to repeal section 1325 as soon as we started treating that as something that we would incarcerate people for is when the problems multiplied so i would absolutely go back to the way we used to treat this and i believe that that would be more effective, smarter and more humane. >> always an honor. former hud secretary and 2020 candidate julian castro. >> good to join you. last night joe biden responded to the campaign controversy but some of his 2020 opponents say he did not go far enough and that is next. an be ho see what's possible. but the possibilities become clear with taltz. the first and only treatment of its kind offering a chance at 100% clear skin.
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hello, south carolina. >> there is a whole bunch of candidates coming on this stage. but this election is not about one person and one office, this is my fish fry, number three. >> with your help, we'll get this done. thank you, south carolina. >> almost every democratic candidate for president making their pitch to the voters of south carolina as you can see on friday on the stage together with some very fashionable shirts they were altogether. let's discuss, bakari, let me start with you. first of all, not only are you from the great state of south carolina, we should point out that you have endorsed b -- endorsed one of the candidates, kamala harris. and biden leading in the latest polls in that state and nationwide, what do you think? >> well first of all, friday night was amazing and all of the candidated there and first foray into the south to meet all of the candidates and they were exposed to what is the base of the democratic party ch is the
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party of the democratic voters. >> 60%. >> and when we say that, we have to explain it because after south carolina you have north carolina, virginia, georgia, arkansas and mississippi on super tuesday and so black voters especially i always say my mom and her friends, black women voters are choosing the nominee. it is amazing. all of the candidates did extremely well. i think those who stuck out were beto performance was amazing and getting raving reviews and cory's energy and the vice president does have support and it is wide and not necessarily deep. so people are giving him a pass for now. he's earned that. but we don't know how long that will last. >> and that reminds me, congresswoman, of the fact in 2007, 2008, black voters in south carolina were firmly behind hillary clinton until barack obama won iowa. and then when a viable candidate, an alternative and an african-american candidate emerged, obama ended up winning south carolina. do you agree with bakari, that
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biden's support is wide but not deep? >> i do. i think it was based on he's vice president before and has name recognition and people associate him with barack obama but as you go forward, that is going to shift and some of it is based on how people think about viability. and they're being told he's the most viable who scares you the most of the democrats? >> at this point it's kind of grab your popcorn and watch this play out. i think the congresswoman is right in that right now there's a lot of name i.d. for former vice president biden, this built-in viability. we'll see the knives come out. this will be a tough campaign.
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you saw the first blow from senator booker this week. and that's only going to get tougher. at this point as we say in the military, lay low in the grass and watch this unfold. >> you've been a little bullish on elizabeth warren, i have to say, which is interesting, because you're a conservative. >> i think she's more prepared than many of the candidates and she has persistence in a way we didn't expect. i do think a lot of republicans are scratching their heads this week about the comments from booker against vice president joe biden. joe biden was barack obama's vice president. how come none of this came out during the obama years? because a lot of republicans suspect these kind of comments are weaponized against people when it's politically convenient. i think this could get very ugly. if the democrats didn't want this to become an ugly, racial debate, these issues deserve a dialogue, not a debate. i don't think it's helpful for the country to have senator booker and biden calling each
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other to apologize. they should sit down and talk about it. i have questions about how you handle things like reparations, police shootings and they should be discussed in a rational way rather than debate it. >> one of the things biden was answering questions about was regarding his relationship with a former segregationist democrat, he never called me boy. he called me son. i think cory booker took issue with that because he would never call you boy because you're white. you're part of the club. here was biden talking about that yesterday. >> i do understand the consequence of the word "boy" but it wasn't said in any of that context at all. to the extent that anybody thought that i meant something different, that is not what i intended. and it would be wrong for anybody to intend that. >> good enough for you? >> yeah, but it highlights -- yeah. no one is calling vice president
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biden a xenophobe, a bigot. this is fractured along generational lines. it's time to turn the page. the thing that goes to his electability is that no one asked him this. no one asked him about tallmadge, strom thurman. we are not a monolithic people but this is not so much an issue about race as it is about pain. we don't want to go back to the point where we were inflicted with pain by the government and the democratic party and joe biden has to understand that. think about how you're going to unwind the damage that was done with the '84, '86 and '88 crime bill. talk about that. let's not invoke someone you opposed bussing to help integration with. >> one thing that i want to bring up is mayor of south bend
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pete buttigieg did not go to the fish fry in south carolina because there was a police shooting in his city. he headed back. and it was an individual who was african-american, who was shot and kill bid a police officer. take a listen to this confrontation between community member in south bend, indiana, and mayor buttigieg. >> you want me to vote for you? that's not going to happen. >> i'm not asking for your vote. >> it's time for you to do something. if you can't do it [ bleep ] i'm tired of talking now and i'm tired of hearing your lies. >> lot of pain there. >> there's a lot of pain and this goes to the point of a lot of it legislative but a lot of it to lift the injustices of a very long time in the history of this country. anybody that wants to run for president on either side, frankly, has to recognize what
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that pain was and the fact that we are now in a different time but not over the hill. just because we elected a black man president doesn't mean we got rid of racism. you look at housing, any issue that matters across the country. we've got to address this issue of institutionalized racism and all the pain that's existed that causes people not to trust when somebody says we want to go -- did he nt say we want to go back but that was a time of civility. if civility masks deep racist policy, then we don't want to go back there. that's not the kind of civility we want. joe biden and every candidate, frankly, has to make sure they're talking about the reality of the situation we're in and the progress we want to make. the problem joe biden has is that, you know, this is his benefit, too. he has name i.d. he has done some very, very good things.
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he has also worked in these times that are very different. frankly, i think he should just say that and move on. if he keeps trying to deny it, i think that just feeds into this idea that, wait a second, you don't get everything we've worked for all these years and all the changes we've made. >> i want to change the topic, if i can, to the president's move to delay these i.c.e. deportations he was going to order carried out today and asking for democrats to work with him. what did you make of it all, congressman? >> i think it was a good move for the delay. while we're in the midst of trying to pass a $4.5 billion border supplement package, right? >> most of it is humanitarian? >> most of it is hhs, humanitarian, which will get at some of these problems and what they call influx detention centers. it's actually hhs who runs these longer-term facilities. >> for the kids, yeah. >> for the kids. not cvp but also gets at another
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nearly $800 billion for customs and border patrol. that is moving through the senate. we need to get it through the house. but at the end of the day, the president has been clear since his campaign. if you have received a deportation order, that is the law of the land and that needs to be fully enforced. >> i want to bring in. if you listen to castro and you listen to pence, there's two men i can't imagine coming to an dpraemt. >> aoc called it concentration camp. this is the price that babies and children are paying when congress and the white house can't get together to give them a gosh darn toothbrush. >> i agree. lock us in the room. let's get it done. we'll take you back to one of humanities greatest achievements, fascinating look at never-before-seen footage of
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